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CBS L.A. is reporting live on the scene from the San Bernardino County mountain town near Big Bear, where sources are saying police have been in a shootout with ex-LAPD officer Christopher Dorner

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not Carl Peterson lll February 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM
Hey mr Justus, You know those inflatable clowns with the weight on the bottom? You can punch them all you want, but they just bounce right back to verticle position. You can punch all day.... And it just bounces right back. But it's a "one trick pony". It has no other use. Yes "justus", you keep popping back up, and full of hot air.
Ivan G February 17, 2013 at 02:19 AM
'Men like Dorner don't engage in such behavior unless they have been egregiously wronged." Not only is your recitation of the purported facts wrong, but it is entirely possible that Dorner became psychotic after being fired from LAPD. Even if he had been treated wrongly, that would not justify or even explain his conduct. How many people who are wrongly imprisoned go on a murderous rampage after being released?
jerryflores February 17, 2013 at 02:41 AM
I have to agree with you. Dorner was a distraught man. The allegations posted on his manifesto warrant investigation. I would be very interested in the outcome of an investigation of police officer Evans. Perhaps Pat Harvey (whom he thought highly of) should be the one to conduct an interview with Evans. The man was not only an ex-cop but a Reserve Naval Officer as well. I'm not defending him or his actions, but something made him go over the edge. This chapter can only be closed with the results of a TRUE and THOROUGH investigation. Will it vindicate him? No, it won't, but it will bring to light many unanswered questions. Be what he may have been, he too, deserves to rest in peace.
c l doe February 17, 2013 at 02:43 AM
Keep yr powder dry, ladies. Dorner flipped a switch. He was cruelly abused by LAPigD when he behaved like a moral, brave man and reported the flith, Ofc Evans, the kick a man when he's down chick. How says he shot anyone? Who says he didn't dig out of a cabin and the snow and flee? You can do that if you know there's no slab. I woulda had the floorboards up in a hot second once I got inside.
jerryflores February 17, 2013 at 02:55 AM
Perhaps you didn't read his manifesto. His mother and sister stopped speaking to him. Do you think now is the time they will come forward?
jerryflores February 17, 2013 at 03:18 AM
Gary, out a sock in it! Maybe, I missed something. I have read all posts on the issue and I didn't read anyone's post supporting Dorner's actions. Maybe YOUR country is going down the tubes and it's time for you to take a HIKE! Who made you judge and jury?
jerryflores February 17, 2013 at 03:28 AM
J.F. are you as ignorant as your literature?
jerryflores February 17, 2013 at 03:42 AM
You're right Jack, however, the words DUMB MORON should added to her name.
jerryflores February 17, 2013 at 03:48 AM
Is there a brain in that airhead?
not Carl Peterson lll February 17, 2013 at 03:51 AM
Gayle.....
Bill C. February 17, 2013 at 04:12 AM
Ignorant Liar and cop hater are all apt descriptions of a guy who pretends to know what he's talking about to the point that he says... "I have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the police often do not follow those standards that we EXPECT in a free society". The standards you spoke of in any type of actual look at evidence that speaks to them would show the vast majority of officers act with the highest level of integrity. You just made up another so called fact you can't back up, pretty much what you do in ever post you make. That you throw Brady Cops into the hat means nothing, unless of course you want to go into the numbers and the types of lies that are acceptable during a police investigation of any type and those that aren't. Cities don't always fire cops rea these suits you blab about because so many are easier to pay off, knowing their bogus, than burden the taxpayers with legal fees that would dwarf many settlements, thank lawyers and judges for that. You were the kid who sat in the corner with the dunce hat on I'll bet, probably now reached your high point crying about cops and making stuff up, parents must be real proud. Done with you JustYou, no challenge.
William Korn February 17, 2013 at 04:21 AM
Buzz, I wanted to make a point. Your style of debate is, IMNHO, similar enough to JustUs' to be indistinguishable, with the sole exception that you try to bring some humor into it (or what you consider to be humor) and JustUs does not. Calling JustUs drunk contributes nothing whatever to the discussion, any more than JustUs' snide ad hominem remarks do. I can well imagine that JustUs is on the young side, either chronologically or emotionally, but you don't have that excuse. I think you're very capable of presenting a good argument when you stick to what you really want to talk about, even if I disagree with your argument. But as I've told you before, if you stoop to the same kind of smarminess you don't seem to appreciate others applying to you, you will find me there telling you all about it. Sorry about being so late in responding. My wife and I were taking what we call a hike -- 5 miles in the East Pasadena/Sierra Madre area, with stops at Sears & Best Buy to look at washing machines (exciting, no?).
not Carl Peterson lll February 17, 2013 at 04:54 AM
Hey William Korn, I would actually agree with you that I can be a bit awnry. The drunk story was not the best example though. Justus is non penetrable with whatever angle you hit him with the logic. I just hit back at the level i think might work.....or I am just excited. Look, I am O.K with your commenting. No problem. Give it to me if you think it needs to be. I won't take my ball and go home. I think the humor, and sometimes self-decapitating humor comes from the times in life when one is so sure of something, only to find out different. I am only 99.99998% sure the sun will rise tomorrow. one in ten million some astronomical catastrophy happens. One in ten million reality is not what is presented. Washer dryer huh? About six years ago we bought the more expensive front load matching, which of course has the low water use. They might have changed by now. The front load has the rippled rubber between the door, and the tub. Well, some water is always in the rippled area. Thus a little bit of smelly green slime is always there, ready to get washed with your laundry. However you could remedy this with a quick wipe of some kind of cleaner that will not age the rubber. The low water, (opinion without fact), I don't think washes as well, and takes longer. When we downsized to one of my rentals, the old maytag with the dials where there. Yes!! Low tech-- dial just what you want---repeat what you want---I am happy.
not Carl Peterson lll February 17, 2013 at 04:59 AM
OH yeah, Same with the more expensive refer. The newer expensive one stoped cooling below 55 degrees for refer and freezer. The old one already here.....keeps on ticking
Gayle M. Montgomery February 17, 2013 at 05:07 AM
Yes, Jiggy...Oh, I just saw the reason why you said Gayle. Just getting home from seeing move 8 of 9 of the top noms for the Academy Awards, Amour. French with English subtitles, but very good.
JustUs February 17, 2013 at 05:21 AM
"Ignorant Liar and cop hater are all apt descriptions of a guy who pretends to know what he's talking about to the point that he says..." "The standards you spoke of in any type of actual look at evidence that speaks to them would show the vast majority of officers act with the highest level of integrity" Any cop who participates in the reknown "code of silence" within the department ranks is not operating "with the highest level of integrity". And that would include the large, large majority of them. It's the secret that everybody knows. More truth for ya, chump. Smoke it. "That you throw Brady Cops into the hat means nothing...." It means nothing to you because you're obviously a water boy for LE. All departments have Brady Cops who are worthless as mammary glands on a bull moose. But the are kept on the payrolls because they are one of the good 'ol boys who got caught dirty. Dorner committed the cardinal sin. He snitched off another cop and that gets no leniency in a corrupted police department. So he was axed. More truth for ya, chump. Smoke it. "You were the kid who sat in the corner with the dunce hat on I'll bet, probably now reached your high point crying about cops and making stuff up, parents must be real proud." You're way too easy. A real ignorant one. Dumb as a box of cow chips. I assume you graduated towards the bottom of the class. Were you the chief's kid by chance? heh.
JustUs February 17, 2013 at 05:26 AM
"Keep dreamin' Just you. You must be a very lonely armed crusader. And I mean that in historic terms. They were self righteous and failed as well" Barry, you only need to hit the enter button once to post. Not twice. That results in a double post (like you did). If you have further questions ask any 2nd grader in your neighborhood. He or she should be able to help you.
JustUs February 17, 2013 at 05:30 AM
"I can well imagine that JustUs is on the young side, either chronologically or emotionally, but you don't have that excuse." So apparently you got schooled by someone on the 'young side' by your own description. The youngin' stated the facts and you failed get get up off the corner stool for Round 2. How exactly did that make you feel? heh. :^)
not Carl Peterson lll February 17, 2013 at 06:08 AM
Gayle, I think I love you or something!!! I think you are my Quantum entanglement. Thats better than a soul mate. In science, once two particular particles interact, then become separated, they still act as if they are united, no matter how far across the universe each may be. They take the opposite value, in sort of a ying-yang effect. The interaction is instantaneous.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement jiggybuzzmarty>>>>>>>>>>>
not Carl Peterson lll February 17, 2013 at 06:11 AM
HERE IT IS.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
William Korn February 17, 2013 at 07:14 AM
Our 10-year-old Speed Queen washer has served us very well, but is heading for the last spin cycle. For some things low-tech is better, especially for price and for having fewer things to break down. We're settling on a low-tech Maytag non-HE from Pacific Sales for $440. Buzz, I read the arguments you posted long before you posted them. I just don't buy them, largely because I don't buy the motives of the folks who made them, and I told you that. IMNHO, that absolved me from the responsibility of making a point-by-point refutation. It might amuse you to know that a fellow that used to be at my church (he's since moved back east) -- an emeritus professor of physics at Caltech -- suspects that I am a teabagger because I don't embrace his views about GW without question. His views are directly the opposite of yours but are held with the same dogged determination. This is a situation I'm not unfamiliar with, but unlike SteveB's otherwise excellent comment to JustUs, I don't think that necessarily means I'm automatically wrong. It means that I think the real answer is somewhere in between the extreme viewpoints, and I told you that, too. Does that make you feel better?
not Carl Peterson lll February 17, 2013 at 07:38 AM
Me feel better...not that I was feeling bad, but O.K.....And I am biting my tongue to not to start the debate again.... By the way after reading one of your other posts, I see that decades ago, I lived a few blocks from your area now. Highview Ave, above Mariposa. I wrote previous about how we had 64 kids on one block. All babyboomers, almost no one locked their doors. We were black, and white and others. And from what this six year old kid remembers, everyone of any race and age got along without an issue. We didn't know people were not getting along elswhere.
William Korn February 17, 2013 at 03:31 PM
Really! I've always been fascinated by the houses on that section of Highview. From the street, they look like some sort of an avant-garde architectural experiment for single-family residences from the 40's or 50's. Do you know anything about who built them? As for the neighborhood, there aren't quite so many children around, but it still has the same ethnic character you speak of. That's one of the things I really like about this part of Altadena ...and thank you for biting your tongue. I imagine there are plenty of other things we can argue about.
Gayle M. Montgomery February 17, 2013 at 07:19 PM
ytramzzubyggij (that's the yin-yang for jiggybuzzmarty), you should hear me busting up over here over your response. Hey, don't you think they ought to close this particular thread or something? Dorner is crispier than burnt bacon, and the subject is a little stale. I do think that the feds need to step up and investigate because I'm hearing other allegations of same from other cops, and the LAPD has a bad history (btw my granny used to be the admin for one of the chiefs historically). There was a small protest at LAPD HQ yesterday. But debating the Dorner situation is a little lukewarm, and maybe there should be a new thread that includes effective methodologies to combat corruption in the police/officials we hire. I dated a cop for 10 years. The Thin Blue Line is alive and going strong. In fact, he was going to get me their bumper sticker for my car, but we had a mutual dump after a bad vacation. One of the first things I did when he approached me about going out is to look up mental health and cops. They see everything and are not always treated well. That is a push-me/pull-you because they don't always treat folks well either. High volume of alcoholism, depression, suicide, borderline personality disorder, etc. I almost think teachers and cops should be required to take a sabbatical every 7 years.
Gayle M. Montgomery February 17, 2013 at 07:24 PM
Oh, yeah, Marty, don't tell anybody, but that cop that was my BF for 10 years is a shhh. I shudder to say this. Ok, I'll be brave. A Republican! In that way, we fought about politics and not about other stuff, til he got really stupid on vacations. They are sacrosanct to me. When he was Oscar the Grouch on our trip to Maui, he was history. I won't tell you where I shoved his police badge, LOL.
not Carl Peterson lll February 17, 2013 at 09:18 PM
Gayle, grouchy in Maui? Wow, that takes a special kind of person. Almost same thing here. My wife actually gave me the silent treatment on our honeymoon in Hawaii. As for Dorner/police thing. The problem with some here, is when they proclaim, cops bad, Dorner good, period. Dorner was a murderer. There are good cops, and bad cops. I have had everything from excellent to horrible experiences. Sabbatical? I bet too many would not come back. Tell me what movie will win the Oscars when you are done with them.
not Carl Peterson lll February 17, 2013 at 09:25 PM
W Korn, I will post below in five minutes to break of this long thread of the comments.
not Carl Peterson lll February 17, 2013 at 09:41 PM
W Korn, The homes on Highview were drawn up by Gregory Ain, who is a well known as far as architecture is concerned. It surprised me to learn they were built in 1946. It is a style I am used to seeing in the fifties-early sixties. http://gregoryainparkplannedhomes.blogspot.com/ There were so many kids that you could always find someone to play with out in the street. Sometimes on Saturdays, you would find a couple dozen doing different activities, of which to choose. Most kids could go stop sign to stop sign without worry, as long as your in when the street lights came on. We had the ice cream man, the milk man etc.. Parents could tell kids that are not there own to behave. And we listened. If you look at different neighborhoods, you will notice that the more money, and the bigger the house...........the less you have with those around you. You become closed in to your own world. We were fairly poor when I was a kid. I never new that. And the childhood experiences can't be paid for. We were rich without the money.
Gayle M. Montgomery February 18, 2013 at 08:05 AM
Marty I have 1 more to see, Life of Pi for best picture, and I have the movie Flight in the iPad to watch on the train or wherever to see about Denzel's best actor nom. If I have time this week, I'll try to rent some of the other lesser awards. For me, best picture should be Lincoln. But Hollywood likes to give awards about things Hollywood has done, ergo all the awards Argo is getting. It is a good movie, just not best. if I'm passing out best actor, I'd say Daniel Day Lewis as Lincoln, and best supporting would go to Christoph Waltz of Django. Best supporting should go to Anne Hathaway in Les Miserables. But, I sit at a quandry for best actress. It is between 3. Jessica Chastain was fabulous in Zero Dark Thirty. The little girl in the Beast of the Southern Wild was about 5 when she played the part far and advanced beyond her years and quite convincingly. But, I think I would have to say the lady in Amour. She was quite simply incredible. Like I said, I still have to see Life of Pi (maybe on Monday) to be sure. There really are some quite good ones this year. Taking it back to Dorner and to gun control, they have something new of late in the theatre beyond advertising up and comings, don't use your cell phone, and buy snacks. It's a safety warning, encouraging patrons to be sure to report anything suspicious and to know where the exits are. That's the gift of Aurora I believe.
Spirit Of Venice February 18, 2013 at 04:25 PM
"It's 'crackers" to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide." - Alfred E. Newman

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